seriych Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Okay, if you think so... I will be eager to see how this works! :D Ha, I thought that you will be engage in the implementation :-) I myself can not do this. I just gave an idea. Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaverS_71 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Please explain last part formula ... It is penalty for playing low tiers? is written correct? WN6: -60*(6-MIN(TIER,6)) WN7: ((-5-(MIN(TIER;5)))*125)/(1+EXP((TIER-(Battles/220)^(3/TIER))*1,5)) _copy from excel Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikk36 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) Try ((5-MIN(TIER;5))*125)/(1+EXP((TIER-(BATTLES/220)^(3/TIER))*1,5)) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajfa4itquLDadEU4QWdUdkp0ZWJkWDNxVjIxTmRackE&usp=sharing Edited February 28, 2013 by Mikk36 Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaverS_71 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Try ((5-MIN(TIER;5))*125)/(1+EXP((TIER-(BATTLES/220)^(3/TIER))*1,5)) by author Praetor77 was originally: -5 - MIN(TIER,5))*125] / [1 + e^( ( TIER - (GAMESPLAYED/220)^(3/TIER) )*1.5 ) I wrote in excel like in graphics: ((-5-MIN(TIER;5))*125)/(1+EXP((TIER-(BATTLES/220)^(3/TIER))*1,5)) Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikk36 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Apparently he made a mistake here. He has a slightly different formula in his original topic: http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/184017-wn7-actual-statistically-sound-efficiency-formula/page__p__3134282#entry3134282 WN7 formula:(1240-1040/(MIN(TIER,6))^0.164)*FRAGS+DAMAGE*530/(184*e^(0.24*TIER)+130)+SPOT*125*MIN(TIER, 3)/3+MIN(DEF,2.2)*100+((185/(0.17+e^((WINRATE-35)*-0.134)))-500)*0.45-[(5 - MIN(TIER,5))*125] / [1 + e^( ( TIER - (GAMESPLAYED/220)^(3/TIER) )*1.5 )] Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaverS_71 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) Apparently he made a mistake here. He has a slightly different formula in his original topic: http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/184017-wn7-actual-statistically-sound-efficiency-formula/page__p__3134282#entry3134282 WN7 formula: (1240-1040/(MIN(TIER,6))^0.164)*FRAGS +DAMAGE*530/(184*e^(0.24*TIER)+130) +SPOT*125*MIN(TIER, 3)/3 +MIN(DEF,2.2)*100 +((185/(0.17+e^((WINRATE-35)*-0.134)))-500)*0.45 -[(5 - MIN(TIER,5))*125] / [1 + e^( ( TIER - (GAMESPLAYED/220)^(3/TIER) )*1.5 )] Ok. Now. Conclusions: rebalanced penalty part formula WN7... especially for players with low number of battles. For >1000 and more it doesn't matter. But WN7 penalty is bigger than WN6. Penalty part formula doesn't matter for players with Average tank level >5 for WN7 ... and >6 for WN6. Edited March 1, 2013 by MaverS_71 Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikk36 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Which only means that you really shouldn't stick to playing tier 1's if you want to be rated a good player. Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor77 Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 Exactly, sorry about the typo! Also, I would suggest making a post on the forums of all servers explaining the 0-100 scale, becuase there are already people asking what it is and how it is calculatd... http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/211986-xvm-84-mod-and-new-eff/ Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriych Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 @Praetor77, now {{wn}} is wn6. Not wn7. And {{xwn}} calculated from wn6, not wn7. http://www.koreanrandom.com/forum/topic/2625-xvm-scale-шкала-xvm/ Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemoW Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Also, I would suggest making a post on the forums of all servers explaining the 0-100 scale, becuase there are already people asking what it is and how it is calculatd... I already wrote tutorial in Russian: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pl1rTfFZKhFKVZ7TqRoZRFg4wrJjr8683NkWwnFSf2g/pub Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaverS_71 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) Is possible change WN6 ---> WN7 in http://wot-news.com/stat/calc/en/ru ? Edited March 2, 2013 by MaverS_71 Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor77 Posted March 2, 2013 Author Share Posted March 2, 2013 True Seyrich. But I guess you will update at some time.. and WN7 and WN6 are almost identical so... Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaverS_71 Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Question: How is calculated WN7 (+2 SPG) ? Please write formula Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor77 Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 For calculating avg tier played, it was proposed arties count as two tiers higher. No formula... However, it was decided not to do that since we needed API to do that. When WG reclassifies arties into tier 1-10 the problem with WN7 overestimating arty player skill will be fixed. Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamemaN Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 В общем как я понял, основа этого рейтинга дамаг и фраги. Т.е. в довольно распространенных ситуациях когда удалось прорваться по одному из флангов к базе противника, при этом почти вся команда слилась, а по другому флангу уже подбираются к нашей базе несколько тяжей противника, то для рейтинга лучше не вставать на захват, а возвращаться на свою базу самоубиваться об противников, пусть и проиграв при этом, ведь таким образом можно настрелять больше дамага, а то и фрагов, а может и сбить немного очков захвата. Занижаются результаты игр на пятом уровне и ниже, что вообще странно, ведь 5-6 уровни основа для фарма, если нет премиумной техники 8 уровня. Но больше всего страдают светляки, например Т-50, он 4 уровня, соответственно его результаты занижаются, хотя игру на нем сложно назвать педобирством, он мало дамажит и приносит мало фрагов, что опять же очень негативно скажется на рейтинге, основу светляка — урон по его засвету рейтинг не учитывает, дамаг по засвету частично отражается на полученном опыте за бой, но его в рейтинге нет, на нем можно пока команда сливается прорваться на базу противника и обеспечить тем самым победу, но рейтинг это опять же не учтет. В общем если нет желания портить свою стату, то на таких светляках лучше не играть или исполнять не свойственную им роль (рейтинг все равно снизится, но не так сильно как если быть хорошим свтляком). Все это хоть частично можно компенсировать процентом побед, но его влияние в рейтинге незначительно. Рейтинг отвносительно нормально оценивает высокоуровневые тяжелые танки (если не учитывать подталкивания на самоубийственные атаки в ущерб победе), пт, САУ, отчасти средние танки (ведь свет, как одну из ролей СТ, по сути вычеркнут из рейтинга) и плохо остальные. Вот такое неквалифицированное ИМХО. 1 1 @ Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil76 Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 @NamemaN, 1. В статистике, которую отдают сервера варгейминга, нет урона по засвету; его никак не получить; поэтому никакая формула его не учитывает. Очень жаль, но тут ничего не поделать. Остается только ждать и надеяться на варгейминг. 2. Если у игрока есть премиум, то в статистике средний опыт показывается с учетом премиума. Если премиума нет - то без него. Т,е. в статистике у игрока с преимумом средний опыт будет всегда больше, чем у игрока без премиума. Поэтому средний опыт в формулах не используется. Очень жаль, что светляки страдают, но ничего не поделать. Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edrard Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 (edited) Is possible change WN6 ---> WN7 in http://wot-news.com/stat/calc/en/ru ? When XVM move to WN7, we will add it to calculator Edited March 18, 2013 by Edrard Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor77 Posted March 26, 2013 Author Share Posted March 26, 2013 (edited) I have recently had access to the wotlabs.net database, and I analyzed th server population for scores. I have pretty different numbers to this: I think this is using the ENTIRE server population which is silly because many, MANY accounts have very few battles on them. I put in a filter of at least 1000 battles and got these results: 1000 Battle filterWN7 better than 300 5%450 10%600 20%700 30%800 40%900 50%1000 60%1100 70%1150 75%1250 80%1400 90%1550 95%1850 99%2050 99,9% Efficiency better than 550 5%650 10%750 20%800 30%900 40%950 50%1050 60%1100 70%1150 75%1250 80%1400 90%1500 95%1750 99%1950 99,9% Based on this, your color table ends up having WAY too many of the active players in the yellow and green areas. I suggest something like the following: Or, you can run your analysis again on your own data setting a lower battle limit as 1000 or 2000. I would also suggest adding a category of 90%sup, since a 1450 WN7 players is MUCH MUCH better than a 1150 one but they are currently colored the same in XVM. Even i you don´t want to use the extra category, you take it out and you would have a very close, but better version of your color table, much more close to reality. Ha, I thought that you will be engage in the implementation :-) I myself can not do this. I just gave an idea. Edited March 26, 2013 by Praetor77 1 @ Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriych Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I put in a filter of at least 1000 battles and got these results: we filtered the same way (1000 battles). But used one more filter: at least one fight in the last month (to drop people who have registered but have not played). And we used only RU server. Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor77 Posted March 26, 2013 Author Share Posted March 26, 2013 (edited) That is VERY weird. Don´t understand the huge difference then... but I definitely don´t like the categories you have for WN6 scores. Could you tell me how it would look filtering by 2500 games? Edited March 26, 2013 by Praetor77 Link to comment Short link Share on other sites More sharing options...
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