seriych 2,178 #223297 Posted October 17, 2014 А можно глянуть на старую таблицу Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
KyIlI 1 #224208 Posted October 20, 2014 собственно всем известен сайт, который показывает по каждому танку конкретную статку. Можете скинуть ссылку в ЛС? Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
Yury_SNEGOV 19 #224422 Posted October 22, 2014 Судя по вашему семафору на "известном" (по крайней мере, мне) сайте, Вы этим сайтом активно пользуетесь ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
serg550 3 #224662 Posted October 22, 2014 Судя по вашему семафору на "известном" (по крайней мере, мне) сайте, Вы этим сайтом активно пользуетесь ;) Если есть возможность скиньте пожалуйста мне в ЛС? Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
seriych 2,178 #224663 Posted October 22, 2014 скиньте пожалуйста мне в ЛС? Тут как бы ни разу не запрещены ссылки на сторонние ресурсы.http://wotomatic.net 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
serg550 3 #224666 Posted October 22, 2014 seriych, Большое спасибо за оперативность! Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
jubeto 0 #227412 Posted November 4, 2014 А что в хвм опять пересмотрели какие то параметры ? ВН8 подрос в новом патче Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
Nick_M 7 #229673 Posted November 8, 2014 Считаю его самым объективным из всех рейтингов :) Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
Red_Nova 0 #233835 Posted November 30, 2014 (edited) Всем доброго дня и отдельное спасибо разработчикам. Возникло разногласие с разработчиками сайта kttc.ru по поводу двузначного XVM. У них на сайте значение WN8 от 2400 отображается как двузначный 100. Не углублялся в формулу которую они используют, но всегда брал за основу таблицу с этой ветки, от seriych во втором посте "Примерное соответствие баллов по двузначной шкале XVM и исходных рейтингов". Разработчик kttc.ru уверяет, что у них самая последняя формула, но для всех игроков у них двузначный WN8 показывает завышенной значение по сравнению с тем что показывает сам мод XVM. К примеру мой WN8 завышен от честно заработанного 62 до значения в 66. Прошу просмотреть их страничку и подсказать истину. Буду весьма благодарен, так как их ресурс считаю очень полезным а завышенно отображенный WN8 очень раздражает )). При этом, четырехзначный WN8 у них отображается идентично с показаниями мода. Edited November 30, 2014 by Red_Nova Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
seriych 2,178 #233841 Posted November 30, 2014 @Red_Nova, Должно быть так: 'под спойлером 3400 строк!' wn8 - xwn80 - 0.001 - 0.002 - 0.003 - 0.014 - 0.075 - 0.126 - 0.187 - 0.248 - 0.299 - 0.3510 - 0.4011 - 0.4612 - 0.5113 - 0.5714 - 0.6215 - 0.6816 - 0.7417 - 0.7918 - 0.8519 - 0.9020 - 0.9621 - 1.0122 - 1.0723 - 1.1224 - 1.1825 - 1.2326 - 1.2827 - 1.3428 - 1.3929 - 1.4530 - 1.5031 - 1.5632 - 1.6133 - 1.6734 - 1.7235 - 1.7736 - 1.8337 - 1.8838 - 1.9439 - 1.9940 - 2.0441 - 2.1042 - 2.1543 - 2.2044 - 2.2645 - 2.3146 - 2.3747 - 2.4248 - 2.4749 - 2.5350 - 2.5851 - 2.6352 - 2.6953 - 2.7454 - 2.7955 - 2.8456 - 2.9057 - 2.9558 - 3.0059 - 3.0660 - 3.1161 - 3.1662 - 3.2163 - 3.2764 - 3.3265 - 3.3766 - 3.4267 - 3.4868 - 3.5369 - 3.5870 - 3.6371 - 3.6872 - 3.7473 - 3.7974 - 3.8475 - 3.8976 - 3.9477 - 3.9978 - 4.0579 - 4.1080 - 4.1581 - 4.2082 - 4.2583 - 4.3084 - 4.3685 - 4.4186 - 4.4687 - 4.5188 - 4.5689 - 4.6190 - 4.6691 - 4.7192 - 4.7693 - 4.8294 - 4.8795 - 4.9296 - 4.9797 - 5.0298 - 5.0799 - 5.12100 - 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Red_Nova 0 #233850 Posted December 1, 2014 Спасибо :) Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
seriych 2,178 #240653 Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) 1. Использовались ли критерии проверки гипотезы о том, что эмпирическое распределение соответствует гамма-распределению? Если да, то какие статистики использовались? Сначала хотели нормальное распределение юзать, разрабы WN рейтингов подсказали, что там близко к гамма распределению. 2. Как производилась оценка параметров гамма-распределения (α, β)? (ответ желателен в общих чертах. Например, ММ, ММП (MLE) и т.д.) Эммм... методом "на глазок" :-) График взялся примерно похожий на графики распределения wn6 и eff, потом сжал и сдвинул, чтобы в диапазон 0..100 попало, не трогая второй и третий коэффициенты. Почему так убого? Во-первых, потому что по большому счету не важно какое там точное соответствие, ибо шкала у нас новая. Во-вторых, потому что я недостаточно скиловый в этих делах, а больше никто этим не занимался, тогда вообще все поголовно были против (кроме sirmax-а) и не понимали, зачем оно надо и почему мы такой замечательный рейтинг wn6 хотим "превратить в eff". Как раз из-за этого всеобщего непонимания от "превращения в eff" пришлось отказаться (до сих пор жалко, ибо шкала XVM гораздо больше бы юзалась, если бы сделали так) и сделать шкалу 0-100. Насколько исходное распределение рейтингов близко к используемому в шкале можно оценить визуально по графику перевода рейтингов в шкалу: чем ближе график к прямой, тем ближе исходное распределение к используемому в шкале. * лучше в этой теме подобное обсуждать Edited December 31, 2014 by seriych Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
Sergios 0 #240854 Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) График взялся примерно похожий на графики распределения wn6 и eff, потом сжал и сдвинул, чтобы в диапазон 0..100 попало, не трогая второй и третий коэффициенты. Обычно исходную величину х трансформируют в величину y, чтобы распределение величины y можно было аппроксимировать нормальным, причем функция преобразования должна быть обратимой. А тут все несколько иначе (: На этом пока закончу... лучше в этой теме подобное обсуждать Пожелание учел. ЗЫ, Wargaming.net API посмотрю для начала. Edited January 1, 2015 by Sergios Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
demon2597 5,468 #250243 Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) @seriych, что там с переводом WN8 в шкалу XVM с появлением Expected Tank Values v18? Нужно что-то менять? Edited February 12, 2015 by demon2597 Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
muatdeeb 137 #250303 Posted February 12, 2015 seriych, что там с переводом WN8 в шкалу XVM с появлением Expected Tank Values v18? Нужно что-то менять? 1. Так в формуле пересчета не было изменений и после введения 17 версии Expected Tank Values 2.Исходя из этого Deltas are showing differences between v16 and v17, as v18 just introduced new tanks ,походу просто добавили новую технику в таблицу Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
demon2597 5,468 #250319 Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) походу просто добавили новую технику в таблицу я так-то видал, но чета решил уточнить на всякий бесполезный, я ж в это дело особо не вникаю:) Edited February 12, 2015 by demon2597 Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
seriych 2,178 #250557 Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Да я как-то подзабил на изменения формул перевода. Там статистика меняется чисто символически, поэтому каждый раз обновлять смысла нет. Плюс всё это время собиралась статистика по технике. Но вот как раз сегодня закончилось и я попросил снова собрать стату для шкалы. Edited February 12, 2015 by seriych Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
sech_92 469 #250561 Posted February 12, 2015 Но вот как раз сегодня закончилось Это уже можно ждать ТЭФФ в скором времени? Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
seriych 2,178 #250569 Posted February 12, 2015 Это уже можно ждать ТЭФФ в скором времени? Для регулярного сбора статы для teff делают инструментарий на сервере XVM. А для меня стату собирал как обычно Edrard.На основе ее тоже можно teff попилить (по идее она должна быть +- одинакова с тем, что будет на сервере XVM собираться). Только не знаю, когда займусь. Сейчас свободного времени мало. Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites
seriych 2,178 #262318 Posted April 11, 2015 up. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Short link Share on other sites